So, I’ve been thinking all week what I might like to write on this blog post. After all, it’s “MY” week–the week where I’m donating the book for the prize. Which means I’d like for the blog to be deep, and profound, and generate lots of comments and discussion–but no flame wars. (Is there anything that can accomplish all that?)
I’ve been reading other blogs, looking for ideas, (and checking out the book reviews–there are some seriously good books coming out this month…) and lots of things have impinged on my thoughts, but none of them really stuck. Or if they stuck, I couldn’t seem to come up with anything to say about them that hadn’t already been said. Until I stumbled across this musing on the relationship between feminism, masculinity and the problem of chivalry.
I don’t really want to go in any of the directions Elizabeth Litchfield has gone in this. I just want to comment on one little bit where she’s paraphrasing something her boss often says:
“A guy sidles up and starts to hit on you. You’re not interested, you feel uncomfortable, and you tell him in some way to back off. Maybe he does, just as likely he doesn’t. Now your boyfriend/husband/friend/brother walks into the bar, sizes up the situation, and comes up to greet you. He puts his arm around you and gives the other guy that look. And what does that guy say? “Sorry, man, I didn’t know she was taken.””
In this instance, the quote seems to be saying “Even though he’s protecting you, he’s still possessing you, and this is bad.” And maybe it is.
It IS bad when men perceive a woman to be fair game if she isn’t “taken.” Or possessed. As if a woman cannot possess herself.
And yet… When one is in a relationship–isn’t the possessing a mutual thing?
My husband is “taken” just as surely as I am. He belongs to me, just as much as I belong to him. We belong together. I protect him, just as he protects me. Now maybe I protect him in different ways–by feeding him foods he’s not allergic to (he’s pretty much allergic to the universe) for instance–but it is there.
I think this mutuality in the relationships between men and women is something that some feminists miss. Men and women ARE different. It’s a biological fact, and I don’t think it’s a bad thing. I like the differences between us.
The differences are complementary. We’re meant to fit into each others’ gaps. Of course, the fit only works if there is mutual respect and trust, and most especially, love.
Which of course, is why I write romance novels. Okay, maybe my romance novels have magic and demons or clankety Jules-Verneish machine monsters, but they’re still about respect and trust and, most especially, love.
So what do you think? Does the idea of chivalry’s dark side surprise you? How bad do you like your bad boy heroes? (I have to admit, I tend to write good guys…) Do you think the bad boys can really be redeemed? Is there a dark side to chivalry? Or–any stray thought you might have on the topic–Share!!
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May 8, 2008 at 8:08 am
I think a Bad-Boy can be redeemed if he isn’t too bad. I like a edgy hero that has some good qualities. Of course you don’t see those good qualities until his layers are peeled back and you get to really know the guy inside.
May 8, 2008 at 9:58 am
Your blog is timely to me. I just watched the movie Next with Nicolas Cage. He sees 2½ minutes into the future. When he’s trying to hit on a woman seated in a diner, he’s able to repeat his approach different ways until he finds one that works. The time he rescues her from her stalker ex-boyfriend works when he simply lets the guy punch him. She responds best to the non-violent, injured hero/good guy, and he scores *LOL*
I’m a sucker for the good guy.
Cheryl
May 8, 2008 at 10:47 am
Cheryl, I haven’t seen that movie but what a fascinating concept.
As for good versus bad boys – I like (and write) the good ones too. They always have to be strong and masculine, not wimpy, of course. The kind of man who stands up for his principles, defends the people he loves, and has strong self-esteem. And I’m fine with the bad boys who also have those qualities but have an added edge, some trauma in their past, maybe a dangerous career. But I sure don’t like guys who are so lacking in self-esteem that they have to swagger, bully people, or claim women as their “property.”
If a man protects a woman from a real threat, hurray for him (and hurray for the woman who protects him as well!). If a man has to mark turf and warn other guys away, I say he’s insecure (and the same with women who behave that way).
I think a man and woman who form a couple need to work out some signals. I hate it if a guy assumes I’m not capable of taking care of a situation myself – but sometimes the fact is that I’m not (I’m tiny!) and other times it’s easier if a little nonverbal gesture like an arm around a shoulder sends the message. It’s a delicate balance.
Susan
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May 8, 2008 at 11:07 am
I like good boys. Bad boys work only if they have a strong motivation and code of ethics. And yes, they can be redeemed. Angel was an evil vampire who killed thousands of people; he was definitely redeemable and you felt bad for him because he lived with the horror of the pain and suffering he caused and would have lived with it for eternity. Roarke in the JD Robb series is a “bad boy” in many ways, but you forgive him his past life of crime because of his motivation and the fact that he’s put it behind him for love. Really, anything works as long as it’s done right.
May 8, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I like the bad boy who is redeemed through his association
with the heroine. I like the good guy who has just that slight
touch or edge to his character, but his feelings for the heroine
keep him true. I can’t make up my mind!!
Pat Cochran
May 8, 2008 at 2:03 pm
“But I sure don’t like guys who are so lacking in self-esteem that they have to swagger, bully people, or claim women as their “property.””
I used to work for a prosecutor in a rural Texas county, and after watching people go through court year after year (I was there about 8 years), I noticed that most of the men who were brought in for assault / family violence tended to be small, scrawny guys. Wimps. Guys who were not sure of themselves, or their masculinity. (Well, except for one–the guy who complained in court “It’s only bruises” was a pretty big guy…) Not statistically significant by any stretch, but it sure played up that insecurity thing…
I have to admit that I do love me a bad boy hero… I’m a sucker for Anne Stuart’s. (Just ordered her FIRE AND ICE) But when I try to write one, I can’t seem to manage that fine line between bad and icky. Ah well.
Another bad boy I loved was Sebastian in Lisa Kleypas’ DEVIL IN WINTER. Who are some of your favorites?
May 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm
one who can be tamed by the lady. i like them they bring the wilde side in a timed herione.
May 8, 2008 at 4:10 pm
What’s not to love about a good boy? But we love bad boys, too and many like the idea of redeeming and taming these bad boys.
May 8, 2008 at 9:47 pm
I’m a bit stuck. I like the good guys, if they aren’t too sweet. Add sarcastic humor or something. And I like the bad guys if their motivations make sense to me. I can forgive a lot if they are clear.
I can’t write overly alpha guys without writing a heroine who is nearly violent in her responses to his aggressiveness. But at the same time, it doesn’t threaten my femininity if a man steps up to help or protect. It makes me think he has honor and a good code of ethics.
I agree with you, Gail. Intentions count. Balance, mutual respect, and a good code should mean more than an automatic assumption that a guy is claiming ownership.
Great post.
May 8, 2008 at 10:14 pm
I love the underlying possessiveness in the gesture, myself, and while I wouldn’t appreciate being considered solely a possession, I believe, like you, that there has to be balance for any relationship to work.
In my novels, I can enjoy the bad boys because there’s no risk–a skillful writer will make it believable that the alpha hero will tone down and control his more aggressive impulses around his heroine, and that his arrogance will come off as protectiveness.
But a well written good boy–so called beta males–can be even better to me. After all, the man I adore is more beta than alpha
May 9, 2008 at 5:55 am
Bad boys can be redeemed if they have a good heart. It’s just that they have a tough exterior. But if they’re too bad and their core being is really nasty, what’s to like?
May 9, 2008 at 6:18 pm
After further study: I like the fact that Honey will place
his hand on my back as support/support/protection
and sometimes acknowledgment. Most often when
walking together, we usually hold hands. I feel that
presents us as a couple and helps me keep up
with him ( LOL – he’s taller than I)
Pat Cochran